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A few of my ST Duponts, and one vintage Dunhill Rollagas, thrown in for good measure.Please excuse the crappy focusing & generally bad video quality.All my lighters are genuine items. There are many fakes around. The ST Dupont models are copied widely, especially the Ligne 2. Some fakes are very convincing and need close scrutiny, but there are easy to spot signs to look out for. Fake serial numbers: one widely-used is 4FK12J8. Anything with ' 4FK ' in the serial is fake.
This isn't the only number/letter combination used; most fake serials are machine-stamped with perfectly-aligned letters/numbers rather than the irregular, unique hand-stamp on each genuine ST Dupont.Any limited edition ST Dupont will have a serial stating that item's number in the run, e.g. 1006 / 2500 and if you see an ordinary stamp on any limited edition item, it's a fake.If it says ' laque de chine ' it stands to reason the item should have some Chinese lacquer on it and not be plain gold or silver. If you do a search for Dupont replica sites, many examples of fakes can be found.
Some imitate limited edition items, others don't resemble any Dupont ever made.Any fake sent to ST Dupont for service is confiscated. Very good site for reference is Dupontcollector.com.
Dearest Member or Visitor of the little Fountain Pen Nut house on the digital prairie,We have noticed that you are using advert blocking software, such as Ad Block Plus.FPN, which is an entirely volunteer run site, relies on advertising for funding of out-of-pocket and running costs like hosting.Please be so kind to add fountainpennetwork.com to your ad blocking whitelist or disable ad blocking when you visit FPN.If you prefer not to see any adverts, support FPN by donating towards an Ads Free view, either by, or.Thank you very much in advance!Warm regards,the FPN Admin Team. Greetings.There's such a wealth of information on this site that I decided this would be the best place to seek advise on this matter. The TL;DR (ie. 'too long, didn't read' version) of it is: how can I reliably differentiate a real S.T. Dupont pen from a fake, based on studying the pictures alone in an online listing (particularly of the box and paperwork)? When exactly did S.T.
Dupont eschew the red presentation box in favor of the black box?And here's the 'mindless drivel' version (any photos below are 'borrowed' for the purpose of this discussion, they are not my own):As a kid I've always admired fine wristwatches and fine pens. My dad has a pair of Pelikans (a pen and pencil set) which he used for many years, and still uses them now, and I used to look at all the pictures of intricately-designed fountain pens in those glossy magazines. Now I've crossed the big Three-O and have been working for a number of years (in an unsavory environment not actually suited to fine pens). Those intricately-designed pens are still beyond me, but I've decided that it is time to look for a nice pen.
It has to be a rollerball or a ballpoint because my terrible handwriting would do no justice to a fountain pen, and partly also because I would like to use this pen for writing, not just for signatures.On a recent vacation back in my hometown, I glanced through the windows of the local S.T. Dupont boutique store in a big shopping centre and saw the Orient Express Prestige Fountain Pen, which is probably the most beautiful piece of man-made corruption I've ever laid my eyes on.
The brand itself however, was unknown to me and up to that point, I only knew of Montblancs.because, who doesn't. and Pelikans. I spoke about it briefly to my dad who recalls that some of his colleagues did use S.T. Dupont pens.Instead of stepping into that boutique, I gloated at the display for a while before going for lunch, deciding not to embarass myself by walking into a store selling items that I clearly could not afford. And so it was a surprise that during some research later on, I found a goodly amount of new, NOS and second-hand Duponts on sale at an evil online site, some of which were to my liking and well within my means.
In the process I learned about the Chinese lacquer that S.T. Dupont uses on some of their products, something that really piqued my interest and firmly set me down the path of buying my first fine pen.
It will be an S.T. Dupont pen and it must feature large expanses of Chinese lacquer.As I was made aware by information on this site, as well as others on the internet, there were numerous counterfeit pens on the market, some of them marketed by apparently credible vendors with an extensive and sound rating who many not even be aware that their stock was not legit. I trawled through numerous listings and realized that the greatest challenge was finding a pen that I liked, and that I could be reasonably certain was legit based on pictures alone rather than handling the pen in person.As such I seek advise from people at this forum who are much more knowledgeable about these things.My understanding is that counterfeits have become very good over the years and it can be nearly impossible to tell from the genuine item. However I was wondering if there were any 'tell tale' signs that a pen was a fake.
Besides studying as close as possible, the fit and finish of a pen in the photos (sometimes difficult since the photos are sometimes not close enough, or worse, blurred), are there any other visible signs I should look for in paperwork or even the box, if those are available as part of the sale?In the older red-boxed pens which were clearly being sold as featuring Chinese lacquer or 'laque de chine', I've occasionally seen outer boxes (ie. The paper box that protects the inner presentation box) that have a line of Chinese lacquer symbols (ie. The leaf) running along the upper edge of four sides of the box (ie. Front, back, left and right).Some other outer boxes do not have this feature. On the inner red presentation box itself, I have also seen some that have the line of leaf symbols running along the sides of the lid, while some boxes do not have it.
Are they both genuine and the difference is simply a change of design? Should all the older laque de chine models feature the lacquer leaf symbol on both boxes?The newer Dupont pens now seem to come in black boxes with a purple liner. These appear even more difficult to study because they all look the same to my ill-informed eye. When did they make the change to use black boxes instead of red ones?I have also read an article that makes a sweeping remark to say that genuine pens always fit well into a customized area in a 'cushion' inside the presentation box, while pens that are held in place by only a ribbon are likely to be counterfeit. How true is this statement? It is difficult for me to believe this since I do see a lot of pens presented in either fashion.Finally, some of the older NOS/ little used red-boxed pens may on occasion, have their paperwork contained in a red package that itself features a line of Chinese lacquer symbols, as in the picture below. Assuming that nothing is missing from the box, is this an item I should look for in a genuine item or is it the hallmark of a counterfeit?Are there any other things that I should be on a lookout for to differentiate a fake for the real thing?
Or am I simply imagining that is possible to safely purchase a genuine Dupont pen at an online auction site?Thank you. Any advise would be most appreciated. These are good questions and I look forward to reading the responses from more experienced folks. I've browsed online auction sites on and off and have avoided bidding on pens (and other items) due to inexperience in spotting fakes.
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(However there was one pen I saw which was clearly a fake).I bought mine from a store. Back then, I had heard of Montblanc - everyone recognized their logo - but had never heard of Dupont before. I liked the look of this one pen, tried it out in the store, really liked the design and how it felt, and ended up buying it on a whim. Well, I justified splurging a little since I graduated from school and found a job.
I get the impression that this is an unpopular brand since there is so little talk about it on this forum. I'm really happy with my pen, it is a pleasure to write with, I can't put my finger on it so I'll just call it the 'little attention to details'. I'm open to saving up for another Dupont purchase; I just don't know where I'd buy it from to ensure getting the real thing. These are good questions and I look forward to reading the responses from more experienced folks. I've browsed online auction sites on and off and have avoided bidding on pens (and other items) due to inexperience in spotting fakes. (However there was one pen I saw which was clearly a fake).I bought mine from a store.
Back then, I had heard of Montblanc - everyone recognized their logo - but had never heard of Dupont before. I liked the look of this one pen, tried it out in the store, really liked the design and how it felt, and ended up buying it on a whim.
Well, I justified splurging a little since I graduated from school and found a job. I get the impression that this is an unpopular brand since there is so little talk about it on this forum. I'm really happy with my pen, it is a pleasure to write with, I can't put my finger on it so I'll just call it the 'little attention to details'. I'm open to saving up for another Dupont purchase; I just don't know where I'd buy it from to ensure getting the real thing.Is that the Vertigo that is featured in your profile picture? That is a absolute beaut, wish I could use one too. Actually, everything you mention as things to watch for are often found on the fakes.It's near impossible to tell just from pictures whether an ST Dupont pen is a fake.
Even folk that are really familiar with the marque can get fooled until they have the item in hand.In a post in I describe how I got fooled.The test of an ST Dupont product is not in the things that show but rather in the attention to detail of even those mundane things that don't show. It's in the feel when capping or uncapping an Olympio/Orpheo; it's the sound the clip on an Ellipsis makes when you pull it out of your pocket; it's the fit and finish inside and in areas that don't show; the ping when opening the cap on a Ligne 2 lighter; the depth of the lacquer.There are a few things that are signs of a fake.A Fidelio model pen with an 18K nib is a fake.An Olympio/Orpheo with an open style nib is a fake.A Classique, Gatsby, Montparnasse that uses standard international cartridges or converters is a fake.
Thanks for the advice, Jar. Also, I read the thread in your link and it's worrying to see how difficult it can be to tell a fake from the real thing, short of them being side by side. It's starting to sound that buying from anything other than an authorized dealer is akin to walking in a minefield. Or I could take a calculated gamble by buying from a vendor with a good return policy.
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This will be more risky than I thought.If you buy the seller instead of the pen you will almost always do okay. I can tell you that reputable sellers face the same problems you face and they do try to research authenticity. A general rule is the old 'If it sounds too good.' But unfortunately I see too many fakes being sold at authentic prices. This does not at all respond to your question. But given your obvious appreciation of craftsmanship and your sensitivity to detail, I wonder if you might not want to reconsider getting a fountain pen. A fine pen like an ST Dupont would certainly be suitable for long periods of writing, with less fatigue than you would experience with any sort of ball pen.
It wouldn't just be for signatures. And because fountain pens give so much tactile pleasure as you write, many people find that after they get a pen they love, they begin to improve their handwriting as well. It's something about the feather-light touch, the feel of nib on paper, the flow and sudden drying of liquid, even the scent of the ink: it naturally leads to slowing down, relaxing your arm, and gracefully drawing the letters. You might find that writing with a fountain pen is every bit as enjoyable as owning a Dupont. And over time, your careful writing for enjoyment becomes your everyday handwriting.In any case, good luck on your quest, and enjoy. And post pictures when you find your pen.ron.